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	<title>Comments on: Book Review: reTHINK by Steve Wright</title>
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		<title>By: New Blog that I Will be Contributing to &#171; The Crimson Window</title>
		<link>http://saidatsouthern.com/book-review-rethink-by-steve-wright/comment-page-1/#comment-3356</link>
		<dc:creator>New Blog that I Will be Contributing to &#171; The Crimson Window</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 05:33:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] has recently written a review of the book. If you would like to see his thoughts on the book click here. If you were at the Band of Bloggers in Louisville, KY this year you should have received a copy of [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] has recently written a review of the book. If you would like to see his thoughts on the book click here. If you were at the Band of Bloggers in Louisville, KY this year you should have received a copy of [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Tony Kummer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony Kummer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 15:25:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nathan,
I&#039;m glad to link to your review. My reviews are typically more &quot;book reactions&quot; than reviews. So, having the summary you posted is a plus. 

I think Steve&#039;s book covers some topics we should all be more interested in discussing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nathan,<br />
I&#8217;m glad to link to your review. My reviews are typically more &#8220;book reactions&#8221; than reviews. So, having the summary you posted is a plus. </p>
<p>I think Steve&#8217;s book covers some topics we should all be more interested in discussing.</p>
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		<title>By: Nathan</title>
		<link>http://saidatsouthern.com/book-review-rethink-by-steve-wright/comment-page-1/#comment-3326</link>
		<dc:creator>Nathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 14:16:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is a link to my review of the book. Hopefully, this will add to the discussion, since I do review aspects of the book that you didn&#039;t touch upon as much and vice versa. :) 

http://pastordefalco.wordpress.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is a link to my review of the book. Hopefully, this will add to the discussion, since I do review aspects of the book that you didn&#8217;t touch upon as much and vice versa. <img src='http://saidatsouthern.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p><a href="http://pastordefalco.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow">http://pastordefalco.wordpress.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: reThink Youth Ministry. Is student ministry Working? Decide for yourself&#8230; &#171; Believe to Reason</title>
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		<dc:creator>reThink Youth Ministry. Is student ministry Working? Decide for yourself&#8230; &#171; Believe to Reason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 14:14:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] P.S. Here is another book review by fellow Southern Seminary grad, Tony Kummer: http://saidatsouthern.com/book-review-rethink-by-steve-wright/#comments [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] P.S. Here is another book review by fellow Southern Seminary grad, Tony Kummer: <a href="http://saidatsouthern.com/book-review-rethink-by-steve-wright/#comments" rel="nofollow">http://saidatsouthern.com/book-review-rethink-by-steve-wright/#comments</a> [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Tony Kummer</title>
		<link>http://saidatsouthern.com/book-review-rethink-by-steve-wright/comment-page-1/#comment-3177</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony Kummer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 20:15:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He mentions turnover and the stress of it all, but I&#039;m not sure if he goes into compensation as a factor. Thanks for making that point. I know several guys who have struggled with this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He mentions turnover and the stress of it all, but I&#8217;m not sure if he goes into compensation as a factor. Thanks for making that point. I know several guys who have struggled with this.</p>
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		<title>By: anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 12:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have not yet read reThink but I would be curious to know if there was any discussion about turnover due to low compensation.  You see, most youth pastors are young and either will soon start a family or have started one that will grow.  They are expected to do herculean tasks of scheduling, discipling, etc. with only minimal compensation.  The only way to increase compensation to move after a few years.  I am a youth pastor and have never had to do this but it happens often.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have not yet read reThink but I would be curious to know if there was any discussion about turnover due to low compensation.  You see, most youth pastors are young and either will soon start a family or have started one that will grow.  They are expected to do herculean tasks of scheduling, discipling, etc. with only minimal compensation.  The only way to increase compensation to move after a few years.  I am a youth pastor and have never had to do this but it happens often.</p>
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		<title>By: More Resources: reTHINK &#124; Said at Southern Seminary</title>
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		<dc:creator>More Resources: reTHINK &#124; Said at Southern Seminary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 10:55:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I&#8217;ve posted my book review of reTHINK by Steve Wright, I&#8217;ve found some more resources related to the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Tony Kummer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony Kummer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 10:45:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nathan - Good observation about conversion.  This is an area that too many churches have just assumed.  I could easily see that taking a second book to do well. 

Larry - One line of argument in reTHINK had to do with all the turnover of Student Pastors.  I think you&#039;re situation is common, guys who want to serve the Lord and do biblical discipleship but are stuck in a model that works against their calling. Thanks for commenting.

Mike - Thanks again for making this book available at Band of Bloggers. I hope I&#039;m not the only one who takes the time to read/recommend it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nathan &#8211; Good observation about conversion.  This is an area that too many churches have just assumed.  I could easily see that taking a second book to do well. </p>
<p>Larry &#8211; One line of argument in reTHINK had to do with all the turnover of Student Pastors.  I think you&#8217;re situation is common, guys who want to serve the Lord and do biblical discipleship but are stuck in a model that works against their calling. Thanks for commenting.</p>
<p>Mike &#8211; Thanks again for making this book available at Band of Bloggers. I hope I&#8217;m not the only one who takes the time to read/recommend it.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry Gross</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry Gross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 02:51:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was a youth pastor for seven years who spent the last two of those years trying desperately to steer what was obviously an unsuccessful model into a model of parental involvement. I had become convinced through the work of brothers like Grant Layman at Covenant Life in Gaithersburg, MD, that the reason youth ministry was &quot;not working&quot; was mainly due to a model that was almost openly hostile to parental involvement.

I have not read this book, but from these reviews, I do sincerely hope that resources such as these begin a wave of youth ministries that partner directly with parents and even equip them to be in an active discipleship relationship with their own children. Without fail, the children who did not &quot;graduate from God&quot; in our youth ministry were the children whose parents were directly involved in their spiritual formation and had an active and ongoing dialog with them. The children whose parents were uninvolved or unengaged were far more likely to leave the Church and never return. Parents need help in this and many of them are desperate for it.

Like I said - I haven&#039;t yet read the book and I am no longer in youth ministry (called out to be involved in a church plant in Austin, TX), but I applaud all efforts to change the failing course youth ministry has taken in past years to a more biblical approach with parents as the primary disciplers.

&lt;em&gt;Larry Gross&#039;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&#039;http://doulos2k.net/posts/learning-from-the-experienced/&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Learning from the experienced&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was a youth pastor for seven years who spent the last two of those years trying desperately to steer what was obviously an unsuccessful model into a model of parental involvement. I had become convinced through the work of brothers like Grant Layman at Covenant Life in Gaithersburg, MD, that the reason youth ministry was &#8220;not working&#8221; was mainly due to a model that was almost openly hostile to parental involvement.</p>
<p>I have not read this book, but from these reviews, I do sincerely hope that resources such as these begin a wave of youth ministries that partner directly with parents and even equip them to be in an active discipleship relationship with their own children. Without fail, the children who did not &#8220;graduate from God&#8221; in our youth ministry were the children whose parents were directly involved in their spiritual formation and had an active and ongoing dialog with them. The children whose parents were uninvolved or unengaged were far more likely to leave the Church and never return. Parents need help in this and many of them are desperate for it.</p>
<p>Like I said &#8211; I haven&#8217;t yet read the book and I am no longer in youth ministry (called out to be involved in a church plant in Austin, TX), but I applaud all efforts to change the failing course youth ministry has taken in past years to a more biblical approach with parents as the primary disciplers.</p>
<p><em>Larry Gross&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://doulos2k.net/posts/learning-from-the-experienced/' rel="nofollow">Learning from the experienced</a></em></p>
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		<title>By: Nathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 02:24:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes! We need more reviews of this book. I know Student Pastors both reformed and not that love the thesis of this book. I plan on writing my own review of it soon, but here are some negatives I have of it:

&quot;A few more paragraphs aimed toward the church with only fifteen students would have been helpful. &quot; bro Tony has pointed this out and I thought the same thing. I have less than that in my youth group, so I am doubtful many of the ideas would work well with my youth and parents.

Another complaint I have is that there is no talk on childhood/teenage conversion experiences. This is HUGE and needs to be discussed more. Many students graduate from God after high school simply because they are not saved. Some of those stats come from churches that do not teach the gospel or if they do, confuse it with psychologically manipulative techniques. 

Plus, unintentionally what it says (by not addressing conversion) is that all you have to do is implement this method and the faith of teens will stick around when they&#039;re adults. Sounds too Presbyterian to me. :)

An entire chapter needs to be devoted to the issue of conversion and how that plays into the &quot;rethink&quot; model.

Other than that, the book was a Godsend. I just started my job as Student Pastor and my pastor is requiring deacons, youth leaders, and eventually parents to read this book. That kind of support is going to make my job so much better!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes! We need more reviews of this book. I know Student Pastors both reformed and not that love the thesis of this book. I plan on writing my own review of it soon, but here are some negatives I have of it:</p>
<p>&#8220;A few more paragraphs aimed toward the church with only fifteen students would have been helpful. &#8221; bro Tony has pointed this out and I thought the same thing. I have less than that in my youth group, so I am doubtful many of the ideas would work well with my youth and parents.</p>
<p>Another complaint I have is that there is no talk on childhood/teenage conversion experiences. This is HUGE and needs to be discussed more. Many students graduate from God after high school simply because they are not saved. Some of those stats come from churches that do not teach the gospel or if they do, confuse it with psychologically manipulative techniques. </p>
<p>Plus, unintentionally what it says (by not addressing conversion) is that all you have to do is implement this method and the faith of teens will stick around when they&#8217;re adults. Sounds too Presbyterian to me. <img src='http://saidatsouthern.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>An entire chapter needs to be devoted to the issue of conversion and how that plays into the &#8220;rethink&#8221; model.</p>
<p>Other than that, the book was a Godsend. I just started my job as Student Pastor and my pastor is requiring deacons, youth leaders, and eventually parents to read this book. That kind of support is going to make my job so much better!</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Hall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Hall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 14:40:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tony,

Your review is an answer to prayer. I never thought that we would be able to have the opportunity to get reThink into the hands of guys like yourself, but the Lord has truly amazed me. I&#039;m sorry that we didn&#039;t meet personally at BOB. If I can serve you in any way, please don&#039;t hesitate to let me know. By the way the registration website for the conference is :&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.rethinkconference08.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;www.rethinkconference08.com&lt;a&gt;

Mike Hall
Executive Editor
InQuest Ministries, Inc.

&lt;em&gt;Mike Hall&#039;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&#039;http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/twoinstitutions/BpVM/~3/274684143/&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Getting Them Engaged!&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tony,</p>
<p>Your review is an answer to prayer. I never thought that we would be able to have the opportunity to get reThink into the hands of guys like yourself, but the Lord has truly amazed me. I&#8217;m sorry that we didn&#8217;t meet personally at BOB. If I can serve you in any way, please don&#8217;t hesitate to let me know. By the way the registration website for the conference is :<a href="http://www.rethinkconference08.com" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.rethinkconference08.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.rethinkconference08.com</a><a></p>
<p>Mike Hall<br />
Executive Editor<br />
InQuest Ministries, Inc.</p>
<p><em>Mike Hall&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/twoinstitutions/BpVM/~3/274684143/' rel="nofollow">Getting Them Engaged!</a></em></a></p>
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		<title>By: Derek Simpson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Derek Simpson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 03:43:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tony: 

You may want to link to Steve&#039;s website, www.lastingdivergence.com -- he is offering a free one day reThink conference in May. Good stuff - great site. Keep up the good work. 
DNS</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tony: </p>
<p>You may want to link to Steve&#8217;s website, <a href="http://www.lastingdivergence.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.lastingdivergence.com</a> &#8212; he is offering a free one day reThink conference in May. Good stuff &#8211; great site. Keep up the good work.<br />
DNS</p>
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