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		<title>By: Book Review: The Next Christendom by Philip Jenkins &#171; Elect Exiles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Book Review: The Next Christendom by Philip Jenkins &#171; Elect Exiles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 22:54:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Terry Delaney</title>
		<link>http://saidatsouthern.com/next-christendom/comment-page-1/#comment-3464</link>
		<dc:creator>Terry Delaney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 15:46:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bryant - Sorry that I misunderstood what you said.  Actually, Jenkins comments just to that issue on page 29 where he says, &quot;Westerners have simply forgotten the once-great Christian communities of the Eastern world.&quot;   This is in the context of a great treatment he calls &quot;The Myth of Western Christianity.&quot;  

Sorry again for misunderstanding.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bryant &#8211; Sorry that I misunderstood what you said.  Actually, Jenkins comments just to that issue on page 29 where he says, &#8220;Westerners have simply forgotten the once-great Christian communities of the Eastern world.&#8221;   This is in the context of a great treatment he calls &#8220;The Myth of Western Christianity.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Sorry again for misunderstanding.</p>
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		<title>By: Bryant Owens</title>
		<link>http://saidatsouthern.com/next-christendom/comment-page-1/#comment-3458</link>
		<dc:creator>Bryant Owens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 13:23:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Terry...

My comment was not one of race but rather of nationality. Perhaps a better term would be Western. Since most of Christian history thus far has been dominated by European theology of the west, the natural response would be white-anglo. However, the current social demographic of the west is becoming increasingly diverse. Europeans are rapidly declining as the majority. Christianity in the future will look different, sound different, and be different. There is danger here yes...but at the same time let us all remember that Jesus and his disciples did not sing Amazing Grace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Terry&#8230;</p>
<p>My comment was not one of race but rather of nationality. Perhaps a better term would be Western. Since most of Christian history thus far has been dominated by European theology of the west, the natural response would be white-anglo. However, the current social demographic of the west is becoming increasingly diverse. Europeans are rapidly declining as the majority. Christianity in the future will look different, sound different, and be different. There is danger here yes&#8230;but at the same time let us all remember that Jesus and his disciples did not sing Amazing Grace.</p>
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		<title>By: Terry Delaney</title>
		<link>http://saidatsouthern.com/next-christendom/comment-page-1/#comment-3452</link>
		<dc:creator>Terry Delaney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 03:28:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David - I think the problem, at least for me, is that he is listed as the &quot;Distinguished Professor of History and Religious Studies&quot; (although that changed in 2007) on the back of the book and has written quite extensively on Christianity.  At the very least, he comes across as an expert of sorts on the topic of Christianity.  

That being said, I agree whole-heartedly that there is a goldmine of information to be found within it&#039;s pages that are beneficial for what you say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David &#8211; I think the problem, at least for me, is that he is listed as the &#8220;Distinguished Professor of History and Religious Studies&#8221; (although that changed in 2007) on the back of the book and has written quite extensively on Christianity.  At the very least, he comes across as an expert of sorts on the topic of Christianity.  </p>
<p>That being said, I agree whole-heartedly that there is a goldmine of information to be found within it&#8217;s pages that are beneficial for what you say.</p>
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		<title>By: David Rogers</title>
		<link>http://saidatsouthern.com/next-christendom/comment-page-1/#comment-3451</link>
		<dc:creator>David Rogers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 01:33:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it is important to remember that Jenkins never claims to be a theologian, nor write from a specifically Christian point of view. He writes as a historian and sociologist.  If we keep this in mind, I think there is a goldmine of information from which we, as biblical Christians,  can benefit, and which we should take to heart. We must ask ourselves, from a biblical framework, what are the implications of Jenkins&#039; theses. I think they are enormous regarding the universality (in ethnic and geographic terms) of the gospel, missionary strategy, and the prioritization of resources.

&lt;em&gt;David Rogers&#039;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&#039;http://loveeachstone.blogspot.com/2008/05/im-on-board.html&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;I&#039;m On Board&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it is important to remember that Jenkins never claims to be a theologian, nor write from a specifically Christian point of view. He writes as a historian and sociologist.  If we keep this in mind, I think there is a goldmine of information from which we, as biblical Christians,  can benefit, and which we should take to heart. We must ask ourselves, from a biblical framework, what are the implications of Jenkins&#8217; theses. I think they are enormous regarding the universality (in ethnic and geographic terms) of the gospel, missionary strategy, and the prioritization of resources.</p>
<p><em>David Rogers&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://loveeachstone.blogspot.com/2008/05/im-on-board.html' rel="nofollow">I&#8217;m On Board</a></em></p>
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		<title>By: Terry Delaney</title>
		<link>http://saidatsouthern.com/next-christendom/comment-page-1/#comment-3449</link>
		<dc:creator>Terry Delaney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 00:51:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>kschaub - I agree with you in that we need to be careful about who has been truly evangelized and who has not.  I struggle personally to call men like Benny Hinn a brother in Christ and that is exactly what Jenkins is saying when he incorporates that brand of Pentecostalism into &quot;mainline&quot; Christianity.  

Another aspect of the book I did not like was his view of the &quot;key difference&quot; between Protestants and Roman Catholics-- &lt;i&gt; sola scripture &lt;/i&gt;.    There is a lot that did not sit well with me as a believer, but the book made a whole lot of sense when I started talking to some friends who &quot;Christian.&quot;  

Bryant - I don&#039;t think it is a wake up call based on a white or black issue as much as it is a wake up call for our missions work in general.  I think Ed Stetzer made mention of Baptists needing to be more explicit in missions work regardless of which doctrine you hold to (Calvinism or not) at the Building Bridges Conference.  

Perhaps I misunderstood your last sentence, but I don&#039;t think it comes down to a matter of race as being the problem (especially in the SBC).  I believe the problem is simply nominal Baptists in the pews and nominal Baptists in the pulpit.  Regarding the issue of race, Thabiti Anwyabile spoke about this at T4G.  I must say that what he had to say, if it were to take root in our convention, would have greater ramifications than if we simply realized that &quot;white people no longer rule Christianity.&quot;  If I misunderstood what you said, please clarify for me and accept my apology in advance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>kschaub &#8211; I agree with you in that we need to be careful about who has been truly evangelized and who has not.  I struggle personally to call men like Benny Hinn a brother in Christ and that is exactly what Jenkins is saying when he incorporates that brand of Pentecostalism into &#8220;mainline&#8221; Christianity.  </p>
<p>Another aspect of the book I did not like was his view of the &#8220;key difference&#8221; between Protestants and Roman Catholics&#8211; <i> sola scripture </i>.    There is a lot that did not sit well with me as a believer, but the book made a whole lot of sense when I started talking to some friends who &#8220;Christian.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Bryant &#8211; I don&#8217;t think it is a wake up call based on a white or black issue as much as it is a wake up call for our missions work in general.  I think Ed Stetzer made mention of Baptists needing to be more explicit in missions work regardless of which doctrine you hold to (Calvinism or not) at the Building Bridges Conference.  </p>
<p>Perhaps I misunderstood your last sentence, but I don&#8217;t think it comes down to a matter of race as being the problem (especially in the SBC).  I believe the problem is simply nominal Baptists in the pews and nominal Baptists in the pulpit.  Regarding the issue of race, Thabiti Anwyabile spoke about this at T4G.  I must say that what he had to say, if it were to take root in our convention, would have greater ramifications than if we simply realized that &#8220;white people no longer rule Christianity.&#8221;  If I misunderstood what you said, please clarify for me and accept my apology in advance.</p>
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		<title>By: kschaub</title>
		<link>http://saidatsouthern.com/next-christendom/comment-page-1/#comment-3446</link>
		<dc:creator>kschaub</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 21:36:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Terry, I read this book for an Anthropology class at SEBTS two or three years ago and had similar thoughts about Jenkins&#039; broad definition of Christianity. In my critique, especially since Anthropology was one of the core introductory courses for studying church planting at SEBTS, I expressed that having such a broad definition of Christianity is certainly not helpful in proclaiming the gospel to the lost. Besides, a mere claim to believe Jesus to be more than a prophet and something along the lines of being the Son of God must also be carefully weighed with the other things they say about Christ in order to determine whether their belief is syncretistic or even outside the bounds of Christianity.

Such broad definitions of Christianity bring into question the value of his research for the church, our evaluation of the state of the church in the southern hemisphere, and whether the current growth in the church in the south is, in fact, true growth, or something we should be careful to say, &#039;this area has been evangelized.&#039; At least, church planters and missionaries should not have such a broad definition of Christian belief.

Thanks for providing this review.

&lt;em&gt;kschaub&#039;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&#039;http://electexiles.wordpress.com/2008/05/07/evangelical-manifesto-some-comments-questions/&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Evangelical Manifesto&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Terry, I read this book for an Anthropology class at SEBTS two or three years ago and had similar thoughts about Jenkins&#8217; broad definition of Christianity. In my critique, especially since Anthropology was one of the core introductory courses for studying church planting at SEBTS, I expressed that having such a broad definition of Christianity is certainly not helpful in proclaiming the gospel to the lost. Besides, a mere claim to believe Jesus to be more than a prophet and something along the lines of being the Son of God must also be carefully weighed with the other things they say about Christ in order to determine whether their belief is syncretistic or even outside the bounds of Christianity.</p>
<p>Such broad definitions of Christianity bring into question the value of his research for the church, our evaluation of the state of the church in the southern hemisphere, and whether the current growth in the church in the south is, in fact, true growth, or something we should be careful to say, &#8216;this area has been evangelized.&#8217; At least, church planters and missionaries should not have such a broad definition of Christian belief.</p>
<p>Thanks for providing this review.</p>
<p><em>kschaub&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://electexiles.wordpress.com/2008/05/07/evangelical-manifesto-some-comments-questions/' rel="nofollow">Evangelical Manifesto</a></em></p>
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		<title>By: bryant owens</title>
		<link>http://saidatsouthern.com/next-christendom/comment-page-1/#comment-3445</link>
		<dc:creator>bryant owens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 21:36:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jenkins work is a wake up call for so may southern baptists. I reference the article by Frank Page about the rapidly dying SBC. Let us all face it folks...white people no longer rule Christianity and the sooner we all realize that the better off the Kingdom of Christ will be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jenkins work is a wake up call for so may southern baptists. I reference the article by Frank Page about the rapidly dying SBC. Let us all face it folks&#8230;white people no longer rule Christianity and the sooner we all realize that the better off the Kingdom of Christ will be.</p>
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		<title>By: The Value of a Good Book Review &#124; Said at Southern Seminary</title>
		<link>http://saidatsouthern.com/next-christendom/comment-page-1/#comment-3441</link>
		<dc:creator>The Value of a Good Book Review &#124; Said at Southern Seminary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 20:42:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] formating Terry&#8217;s Book Review of The Next Christendom by Philip Jenkins and trying to find another review to link, I found some helpful thoughts from Rick Mansfield. He [...]</description>
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